When I try to teach basic feminism and gender theory, my students see trying to discuss the narrative role, this "forest for the trees" as a violation and wildly unfair. I suspect the issue is not that I'm--clearly--not as good at it as you are. When I try to explain it as a form of audience manipulation, it goes only slightly better. Of course, I generally only get 2-3 sessions of a more general course to bring this up, so maybe it would go better were the whole course on this, though that's a bit too far out of my current expertise.
But regardless ... I found this topic so fascinating as an undergrad. And I find it ... I'm not quite sure ... now since I've realized that I'm spent most of my life half-in and half-out of traditional masculine roles. I either get read as ultra-masculine (the villianous Straight White Male) or gay (as in "queeny), which given the extremity of the bifurcation is kinda weird.
So, if you've an interest in a discussion, I would welcome any thoughts on contemporary roles in the social script, etc.
Oh I get the "unfair" thing too. This is why I like to have those caveat-ish bits at the end of each piece. There's really no way to get rid of that attitude--especially if it's like a "ugh again with wokeness ruining everything" or a "comedians can't say anything these days" kind of thing. It's like, well yeah go ahead and say the thing or make the stereotype, but then realize that there are consequences. Or there should be--my point in creating these Badass tropes (as opposed to the 'regular' kind) is to promote awareness, to allow us to not fall for the bait-and-switch without seeing it.
I think you'll enjoy my next series after this one: the Problematic Toxic Masculinty Tropes series, based on what you say here.
On the "wokeness ruining everything" ... I learned all this in the late 90s, decades before wokeness. But we both know how that goes...
Did you watch the reboot of Charmed? I watched the first season, it it was so "woke" (feminist) that at times I wondered if it was supposed to be self-parody. I mean, one nearly needed a degree in feminism / women's studies to get all the references. That said, it had all the sophistication of a frosh first discovering feminism.
Oh, I will have sooooo much to say about toxic masculinity. I mean, both my parents were career Army ...
hah. that meme. Have you seen the one where Padme just tells Annakin to quit the Jedi order, keep his powers, and do whatever he pleases as a solution rather than a secret marriage?
Well, it says something that I watched the whole first season. I mean, I'm still trying to struggle through Game of Thrones... so much sitting down!
Yes, it was "political correctness," which ... takes us back to the 80s?
It's one of my intellectual pet peeves. So many use terms like they're a brand or stereotype with almost no understanding of the underlying concepts or arguments. Often, even the allies...
Oh no I never saw the new Charmed. I heard from my stepkid that it was far inferior so I’ve avoided it.
I stopped watching GoT kinda early on myself. I mean I love me some boobs & dragons as much as the next guy, but. I dunno I guess I just got bored? I don’t really get into shows very much anyway, aside from Columbo...
You should watch the new Charmed for professional reasons, then.
Actually, I don't "love me some boobs" and just want more dragons in that show. The historical romances my wife watches are way better! But yeah, the story is great while the show is oddly boring. Whereas I never found The Mandalorian to be boring, and this last decade I haven't had much of an attention span for TV.
Oh, I read the posts on Columbo... I just don't get it... But then I grew up on Murder She Wrote, All Creatures Great and Small, Faulty Towers, Are You Being Served, and a host of other shows that most now wouldn't get...
I also need to point out that I constructed that first meme myself, and I am disproportionately proud of myself for doing so.
Really excellent work.
When I try to teach basic feminism and gender theory, my students see trying to discuss the narrative role, this "forest for the trees" as a violation and wildly unfair. I suspect the issue is not that I'm--clearly--not as good at it as you are. When I try to explain it as a form of audience manipulation, it goes only slightly better. Of course, I generally only get 2-3 sessions of a more general course to bring this up, so maybe it would go better were the whole course on this, though that's a bit too far out of my current expertise.
But regardless ... I found this topic so fascinating as an undergrad. And I find it ... I'm not quite sure ... now since I've realized that I'm spent most of my life half-in and half-out of traditional masculine roles. I either get read as ultra-masculine (the villianous Straight White Male) or gay (as in "queeny), which given the extremity of the bifurcation is kinda weird.
So, if you've an interest in a discussion, I would welcome any thoughts on contemporary roles in the social script, etc.
Oh I get the "unfair" thing too. This is why I like to have those caveat-ish bits at the end of each piece. There's really no way to get rid of that attitude--especially if it's like a "ugh again with wokeness ruining everything" or a "comedians can't say anything these days" kind of thing. It's like, well yeah go ahead and say the thing or make the stereotype, but then realize that there are consequences. Or there should be--my point in creating these Badass tropes (as opposed to the 'regular' kind) is to promote awareness, to allow us to not fall for the bait-and-switch without seeing it.
I think you'll enjoy my next series after this one: the Problematic Toxic Masculinty Tropes series, based on what you say here.
On the "wokeness ruining everything" ... I learned all this in the late 90s, decades before wokeness. But we both know how that goes...
Did you watch the reboot of Charmed? I watched the first season, it it was so "woke" (feminist) that at times I wondered if it was supposed to be self-parody. I mean, one nearly needed a degree in feminism / women's studies to get all the references. That said, it had all the sophistication of a frosh first discovering feminism.
Oh, I will have sooooo much to say about toxic masculinity. I mean, both my parents were career Army ...
hah. that meme. Have you seen the one where Padme just tells Annakin to quit the Jedi order, keep his powers, and do whatever he pleases as a solution rather than a secret marriage?
I have seen that one, yes. Chef’s kiss.
Well the term “woke” is new, but the concept is old as the hills (ahem). What did it used to be called? Political Correctness? And before that?
heh heh.
Well, it says something that I watched the whole first season. I mean, I'm still trying to struggle through Game of Thrones... so much sitting down!
Yes, it was "political correctness," which ... takes us back to the 80s?
It's one of my intellectual pet peeves. So many use terms like they're a brand or stereotype with almost no understanding of the underlying concepts or arguments. Often, even the allies...
Oh no I never saw the new Charmed. I heard from my stepkid that it was far inferior so I’ve avoided it.
I stopped watching GoT kinda early on myself. I mean I love me some boobs & dragons as much as the next guy, but. I dunno I guess I just got bored? I don’t really get into shows very much anyway, aside from Columbo...
You should watch the new Charmed for professional reasons, then.
Actually, I don't "love me some boobs" and just want more dragons in that show. The historical romances my wife watches are way better! But yeah, the story is great while the show is oddly boring. Whereas I never found The Mandalorian to be boring, and this last decade I haven't had much of an attention span for TV.
Oh, I read the posts on Columbo... I just don't get it... But then I grew up on Murder She Wrote, All Creatures Great and Small, Faulty Towers, Are You Being Served, and a host of other shows that most now wouldn't get...
Columbo.... yeah, I'm rolling my eyes at you! ;P