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Sei's avatar

Cruella de Vil? Though I must confess that I'm working off dim memories of Disney rather than whoever she was in the novel. It really is a sparse field.

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Jenn Zuko's avatar

O yeah! Yeah we’ve got Maleficent and Yzma too, if we look at Disney. And Snow White’s evil queen.

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erniet's avatar

So a loose translation is "legend in his own mind" 😂

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Jenn Zuko's avatar

TOTally

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Molly Ringle's avatar

Interesting point about the gender difference in watching the arrogant fall! Now I’ll be pondering that to see if I can think of any other exceptions.

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Jenn Zuko's avatar

I can’t really, except for Umbridge. And she’s ’ish.’

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Jason Hills's avatar

I'd be totally willing to discuss the nuances of outrecuidance vs. hubris! If you're game. I think the Greek tragic roots of the latter really set it off, and that's something most overlook.

Also, I feel yaa on the French. I used to be a published French translator, but it's been a decade since i could talk to anyone.

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Jenn Zuko's avatar

Is that the only difference, do you think? The Greek tragedy-ness?

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Jason Hills's avatar

I don't know the French word well enough. I've done a lot of translation in the past, and sometimes used Renaissance French dictionaries--just pointing out that you could try a French-language archaic French dictionary. I had to use one to translate French officer's manuscripts in an archive. Was terribly fun reading their beautiful calligraphy from the 17th century.

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Jenn Zuko's avatar

Oo neato! Yeah the oldest I’ve been familiar with is Rostand’s Cyrano--that was what, 1820ish? I do seem to recall we actually read some Voltaire and some Rabelais, though, in AP French in high school but that was a LONG time ago.....

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Katman Dew's avatar

There have been some few but notable bond villannissed.

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Jenn Zuko's avatar

Well I mean I did think about Onatopp and the Grace Jones character but they’re secondary villains. They’re not the main antagonist of the story. Is there a woman who’s the main villain? Not the villain’s villainous henchperson?

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Katman Dew's avatar

True that but some of the men villains remind of woman perhaps.

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Jenn Zuko's avatar

I can do a whole 'nother article on queer-coded and/or feminized male villains. That's totally a thing.

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Katman Dew's avatar

The cell and computers in this part of equadore south america don't work any more than a monkey making love to a football.

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Katman Dew's avatar

It's sad that this is true. I mean, terminator 3 is a robot woman, and Cathy Bates is another similar hyperbolic male fantasy in the movie misery. The Michael Douglass movie with the obsessed nanny the same. Two movies by kyrasawa, ran and rashoman.the throne of blood to. Thanx again

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