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erniet's avatar

I'm not sure I agree that such scenes are meant for titillation. Most men (myself included) recoil from the idea of causing anyone pain and certainly don't enjoy watching someone in pain. It doesn't matter whether they are male or female. So in most stories where the protagonist is male, the payoff is in seeing the hero take out his vengeance on the torturer. In terms of a woman being tortured it triggers the "knight in shining armor" part of my male self (and of most of the men I know) where we want to rescue the woman...or see her rescued...again with the payoff being the torturer getting his comeuppance. In the case of a strong woman heroine such as Ripley in the Alien franchise I think that part could have easily been cast as male to largely the same effect, the point being that what she was going through, if it was cast with a man, would be unremarkable. In terms of River Tam I think Whedon was yanking our chains a bit, triggering the whole damsel in distress thing when really River was more badass than anyone in the crew. If I remember right this was particularly shown in movie Serenity.

There's no doubt that a lot of men like strong women characters; look at how many video games popular with male gamers feature women as the main characters (Laura Croft from the Tomb Raider series as an example). I won't deny that an attractive, scantilly clad woman isn't titillating and that can be gratuitous (The Fifth Element is a good example); I'm just disagreeing with the violence/torture component being there for titillation.

Either way it's an interesting point; it will certainly give me a different perspective next time I watch an Alien movie or an episode of Firefly!

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NickS (WA)'s avatar

"If Buffy the Vampire Slayer were a teenaged boy?"

My first thought is that the male equivalent of Buffy is Ender from _Ender's Game_ (or at least the equivalent plot-wise; he isn't sexualized).

Which isn't to disagree with any of your points.

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